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Well with the expansion of the new shop, I just got my grizzly edge sander and I'm very impressed, it's very well built, was packaged nicely and is already wired for 220.

So now I'm thinking that I need to upgrade my table saw to a cabinet makers saw, I was looking at this one:

Grizzly1023slx

It has a full extension table which I can use with my Incra fence setup, I can install my router into the extension and with the accessories can make the whole thing movable.

So has anyone use a left tilt saw?? Any advantages?? anything I should be looking our for??

-Paul-

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-Paul-

Patriot Guitars

Paul,

I think the current edition of American Woodworker lists the pros and cons of left vs right. I think in the end left won out by a bit but it really depends on what you want out of your saw. I still quite like my right tilt unisaw, smooth and accurate, just a great pleasure to use compared to the import cabinet saws I have run. HEY wait a minute! My unisaw was made in the US, it is an import!!

Shane

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Left Tilt Powermatic 64A, great fence, extension table, moveable base unit. Powerful, did I mention the great fence? Oh, yeah. It's a hummer, best 850 I ever spent, my last saw cost 65, it was free, that was the motor rewind back in '75. I'd go for the Grizz.



Paul, this is a fine looking saw. You are gonna need a subpanel with all this 220 stuff. Each one takes two posts, that's four posts with the edge sander. How many do you have? Oh, at 1295 for this saw it's a steal.Dickey38744.8775925926

I have that saw without the extension table ... I would highly recomend it. I do like the left tilt too. Sometimes Grizzly gets a bad rap, but I have had great luck with my saw.

I am looking at the Grizzly with the cast iron wings that have a router table built in. I think using the table saw fence on the router looks very appealing.

IIRC it is $1067 for the 5hp unit.

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Brock Poling
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.polingguitars.com

Keep in mind that a table saw is THE most dangerous machine in the shop, IMHO. I'm of the belief that too much power is not necessarily a good thing on a table saw. Case and point: If you are ripping 8/4 rock maple and the cut starts to close on you what's going to happen. On a smaller saw, it's going to start to bog down and you can kill the saw. On something as large as a 5hp, you are looking, at best, drywall repairs behind the saw where that piece of maple just became a javalon.
My dad had a kick back accident on the table saw that knocked him out. Luckily he fell backwards and not into the blade. But that was enough for me to give this tool all the respect it deserves. It's also the most loved and used tool in my shop. Kind of ironic don't yo uthink?

that is called "experience"

I agree though... safty should be an issue with all tools, and the table saw and the router table are my two worst fears in the shop.

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Brock Poling
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.polingguitars.com

Paul, I've got the same Grizzly left tilt saw that JohnO has. He helped push me out of my indecision.
I can't say enough good things about that saw. It's simply a fine machine.

Steve

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From Nacogdoches...the oldest town in Texas.

http://www.stephenkinnaird.com

Thanks Paul and Brock, it's always good to remind us of that and i don't mind how many times a week we'd be reminded of safety rules.

Serge

Speaking of safety... I recently got one of these up and running with a Jet
sliding table attachment too:
http://www.sawstop.com/products-cabinet-saw.htm
IMHO a small saw is not necessarily a safer machine. It's all about set up,
sharpness, experience and most of all paying attention to what you're doing.
-C

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Freeborn Guitars
and home of BeauGuard©

Chas...

I have heard nothing but good things about the SawStop cabinet saw, beyond the safety features the reviews I have read say it's just a great working table saw.

If you don't mind my asking, how much did you pay for it?

Bruce... according to the electrician I just need to run the conduit and then pick the outlets that need 220 and they will run all the wire for me, he never said anything about needing extra posts and I showed him all the equipment I was converting.

I'm leaning heavily towards the grizzly, because I also want to do some furniture in the shop as well...

-Paul-

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-Paul-

Patriot Guitars

I got mine just before the price went up, and if memory serves it was
around
$2300. It looks like they're up to $2800 now, and after you buy a fence
and
have it shipped it'll be over $3k. It is an exceptionally well made machine.
You'd have to go German to find better quality.
I did not buy their fence, as I prefer the unifence (the only thing Delta
makes
anymore that I'd even consider), and after owning an Excaibur sliding
table
for a number of years (good but not great) I decided on the Jet Sliding
table.
It's got a couple of very small design flaws that I'll correct, but otherwise a
very good accessory.

As for the cost; what is a finger worth?
If I get a chance I'll post up a pic of mine.
-C
PS it is a left tilt blade, which is my choice.Chas Freeborn38745.0848148148

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[QUOTE=Steve Kinnaird] Paul, I've got the same Grizzly left tilt saw that JohnO has. He helped push me out of my indecision.
I can't say enough good things about that saw. It's simply a fine machine.

Steve[/QUOTE]

Steve,

Remember I only pushed you toward the Grizzly as long as you like it ... but if for some reason you decide not to like it anymore ... it was completely your own decision.

Really though it is a nice saw especially for the price.

John, I'll try to remember that if and when problems arise.
But more'n likely, I'll be muttering things about that cotton-pickin', trouble-startin', bad-advice-givin' JOHNO.   

Or not. I don't anticipate any problems other than user problems, and that can be a scary thought, huh?

(I love the saw, by the way)
Thanks again,
Steve

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From Nacogdoches...the oldest town in Texas.

http://www.stephenkinnaird.com